Topic: Gaming's pet peeves

Excessive grinding in RPG's to level up your character to be able to handle a boss.

Negativity, particularly with fanboys. This is a hobby and a business. We are all consumers. Why be negative all the time or get annoyed if someone appears to prefer one console or brand over another?

@Th3solution I get what you mean and I usually go back and re-create my character if I don't like how he looks in gameplay or during cutscenes.lol

@Rudy_Manchego to be fair that's not just in gaming, look at fanbases for various TV shows or films and the can be even worse, Star Wars comes to mind with the amount of hate being thrown around there, say you like the Prequels and the Original Trilogy fanboys jump on you, say you don't and the Prequel fanboys jump on you say you like the sequels and they both jump on you

it's a primal tribal behaviour you join a group and it becomes your tribe and you defend it from anything that's different or a potential threat, like most football supporters actually

@FullbringIchigo That's a fair point and you are right, it defo isn't gaming related. I guess I struggle with it most in games as it is my main entertainment medium. It is something I find baffling - I just don't get tribalism in general but especially when it is related to which company you buy a product from.

Unless anyone says anything about The Last of Us - I'll swat you off the internet

@Rudy_Manchego it's mainly a sense of belonging, now i just copied this from one of my psychology books so this is just a basic definition but

"Tribalism implies the possession of a strong cultural or ethnic identity that separates one member of a group from the members of another group. Based on strong relations of proximity and kinship, members of a tribe tend to possess a strong feeling of identity. Objectively, for a customary tribal society to form their needs to be ongoing customary organization, enquiry and exchange. However, intense feelings of common identity can lead people to feel tribally connected."

you see the word "tribe" can be defined to mean an extended kin group or clan with a common ancestor, or can also be described as a group with shared interests, lifestyles and habits. The proverb "birds of a feather flock together" describes homophily, the human tendency to form friendship networks with people of similar occupations, interests, habits. Some tribes can be located in geographically proximate areas, like villages or bands, though the internet enables groups of people to form digital tribes using social networking websites such as Facebook or Twitter.

and yes i did study Psychology if your wondering

@FullbringIchigo Well I'd be worried if you had studied cattle farming because you'd be barking up the wrong tree with your reading!

I guess the internet amplifies that by allowing tribalism on almost anything now, and also the organisation of that tribalism with near anonymity. I'm going back to just reading books in isolation.

@Rudy_Manchego it's probably safer to be honest

@Rudy_Manchego Y'Up, but it gets worse. It's not uncommon for others in the gaming community to attack you for not being negative enough about something they're upset about. It simply astounds me. I'm a part of this hobby because I want to enjoy myself, full stop. If I don't like something, I'll pass by it in favor of something I do like. I'm not going to squat in forums and message boards and bitterly rant about stuff I'm upset about when I could be enjoying myself instead.

@Ralizah Yeah I get that - I'll happily have a moan about something I don't like in the gaming industry and will have a debate with people that have different views in forums because, in my mind, its part of the hobby. However, at the end of it, I'll happily walk away and go play a game. I think No Man's Sky, at launch, was really false advertising and I posted a few forum messages here and there stating though but what I mainly did was not buy the game when it was in a state where I knew I wouldn't like it. I didn't care if people did buy it or enjoy it. totally their right. Conversly, when I felt it had something to offer at a price I liked, I did buy the game. Because it is a game and that's all.

Anyone who doxxes or swats or whatever it is online just flabbergasts me.

@Rudy_Manchego Oh sure, I'll voice my opinions as well, but I have no interest in dwelling on something that upsets me or attacking other people who feel differently.

I also find it interesting how personally some people take this whole business when a dev doesn't immediately start pandering to their pet multinational corp.

A good example is the reaction some Nintendo fans have had to A Hat in Time being ported to the Switch. Or the reaction of some PS4 fans to Rise of the Tomb Raider's port to the PS4.

I mean, I have my preferred platform, and I'll wait to buy games until they come to it, for the most part, but I'm not going to sit around obsessing about it, and I'll be happy when they do eventually come. Holding some petty grudge against a company because they were initially unwilling to support your preferred platform is insane.

@Ralizah @Rudy_Manchego I just don't get the mentality of some people who just go out of their way to attack someone. When you hear of developers or people who work in the industry receiving death threats for something like delaying a game (or reporting a game being delayed), it just baffles me.

COMPLETELY AGREE on Marlowe. We got robbed a fight there. There was even an arena and everything, WTF. And I wanted to see what was in that container/what it could do! Ugh, I hate Uncharted 3. Huge blunder for the franchise.

Star Wars fandom can be downright toxic, I avoid it most of the time despite being a fan. Marvel fandom can also be quite toxic.

@Rudy_Manchego THIS. Oh my gawd I can't stand fanboyism. It actively ruins the hobby and I feel embarrassed whenever I see it on here. There are zero problems with having a preferred system or company if you care about that, but it can't be hard to not be obnoxious about it, no?

I especially hate it when, no matter how respectfully you word your opinions, you still get branded a troll or attacked or whatever just for having a different opinion. I got laughed at on PSN once because I said The Last of Us wasn't perfect. I've also seen plenty of Game Informer's where the letters section has someone complaining about the review score of whatever game. C'mon son.

This also goes into why I hate the console wars. Why do we have "teams"? We should want the hobby to succeed instead of wanting one company to "win". It's pointless to me.

@JohnnyShoulder I have often wondered about what it must be like to be one of these thousands of people who regularly issue death threats to people in the industry. Like... why? What's that going to accomplish? How twisted must your priorities be to issue threats because something you're looking forward to was changed or delayed?

@Ralizah Yep - I also don't get the people who trash the platform they profess to love or care about. Such as Nintendo haven't released a first party game I want this quarter, how very dare they.

@JohnnyShoulder I guess it must be a power or esteem thing. I wouldn't actually do that to someone who had actually wronged me, let alone a dev or someone online who I didn't know who I might possibly disagree on something inconsequential.

@AdamantiumClaws Star Wars is crazy toxic. I really didn't like The Last Jedi but some did and I get that. I can debate it but I am not going to kickstart a remake or something dopey because its a movie and its just my opinion.

Fanboys drive me up the wall so I tend to ignore it as much as I can and stay away from websites that I know to be infested with those goons. If people want to waste time having ridiculous arguments instead of actually playing games then more fool them. We all moan from time to time; it's normal, and if we don't like or are unhappy with something it's natural to want to express that. What I don't understand is how far some actually take it.

@Ralizah Yeah, I totally understand the whole "you're not angry enough at X game" as though I should somehow be outraged on their level. If someone doesn't like a game, that's fine, but by the same token isn't it fine for me to like it? I dislike the hive mentality of it.

@Rudy_Manchego Nintendo did it to attack you personally. I would be angry if I were you. No, outraged. You should boycott them! That would show 'em.

@Ralizah Yeah exactly. I just don't understand the thinking behind or what they are hoping to achieve.

🤔 Hmmm, all this talk of tribes ... I just realized while playing Horizon Zero Dawn that it’s a metaphor of the console wars. The Nora tribe are the PlayStation fans, the Carja are Nintendo, the Oseram are the PC crowd, and the Banuk are the Xbox gamers.